'She mocked my fear of cancer then ignored every chemo side effect.' UPDATED 2X
"She mocked my fear of cancer then ignored every chemo side effect."
I found out two month ago I have stage 3 Hodgkin's Lymphoma. It began with a routine physical, and 15 days later I was sitting through my first treatment of ABVD (the name of the chemo regimen for HL).
Long story short, I went in for a physical, GP referred me to an ENT the following day. ENT told me that, "it really looks like lymphoma," but said only a biopsy can say for sure.
She looked me straight in the eye after that and said, "I don't mean to scare you or shake you up, but there are more things pointing to lymphoma than not." (paraphrasing, was in shock and not 100% remembering).
This is where having cancer (only a possibility at this point) became just another concern. First, I've been married for 6 years and have 2 awesome daughters, very young (3 and 4 months).
I called my wife right after the ENT appointment and told what the ENT said. I think I'm a pretty hardcore manly man, but I was near tears and choking on every word. She mocked me a little a bit, and told me nothing was for sure yet and that I was making a big deal about it and stop being dramatic. About possibly having cancer.
I went to the ENT's office, got a print out from the CT scan where the ENT and the radiologist noted "highly suspicious for lymphoma" and left to go tell my parents, who were about to leave on a short trip to their lake house the next morning.
I'm not very close to my parents, but knew they would want to know. They were crushed just at the possibility and offered (and have followed through) to step up if worst fears prove true.
When I got home I did my daddy thing and made dinner and my wife didn't mention anything. I brought up a few concerns and how scared I was, and she looked right through me, waiting for me to finish talking so she could do whatever she had been doing. She didn't even reply to me. At least she stopped to listen, but that was it.
That was on a Friday, biopsy on Monday. My wife held on to the thinking that I didn't have cancer and that I was making a big deal about it. I was scared to death all weekend but didn't want to tell my friends in case it came back negative, so I suffered in silence.
Escalation #1: I asked my parents to watch the kids so my wife can come with me to the biopsy (again, not close to my parents), assuming she would want to go. My wife loses her damn mind and stands there while I call my parents to tell them that we don't need them.
My wife says I'll be fine going to the biopsy by myself. After having my neck opened up to have a lymph node removed. So I have to ask my parents to go with me so I can get a ride home.
Escalation #2: I get home from my biopsy, and my wife's entire family is at my house. Including sister in law and boyfriend from from out of state. I play the biopsy off as a procedure to repair my clavicle and excuse myself from the first level of our house and go to the bedroom. I'm of course a jerk for not socializing. After I get home from the hospital for surgery.
The next two days are the longest ever as I wait to find out. I give up waiting, go out for coffee, and then go to a bookstore to unwind (I love reading). The nurse calls me while at the bookstore to tell me the news. It's classical Hodgkin's Lymphoma. See you at the cancer center on Friday.
Escalation #3: I call my wife and tell her, fighting to get the words out. I break down and sob a bit. When I'm done, she asks, "how do they know?" I gather myself and explain how they send the tissue to a pathologist, yada yada.
At this point I'm no longer upset about having cancer, but shocked that, since I went to the GP 6 days prior, my wife has done nothing but deny any chance of cancer, has mocked me for being concerned I have cancer, and has offered no support at all. Any fears or concerns or anything, she just dismissed or tuned out.
She did agree to go with me to the initial oncologist appointment. My oncologist reviewed the information with us, went over my PET scan (I glowed like a christmas tree!), and explained the side effects of treatment.
Escalation #4: We met with a nurse to counsel us on things caregivers can expect with the regimen I'm on, and throughout the discussion (which my wife did not participate), it became clearer that my wife doesn't consider herself my caregiver.
She didn't participate because she doesn't think it applies to her. We were with the nurse for an hour and my wife didn't speak at all. Two months later, I've had 4 treatments and have started to lose a lot of energy. I get tired pretty quickly but do my best to pull my weight.
About three weeks ago, after a long Sunday of helping with kids and trying to get my half of the housework done, I hit my limit with a few things on my honey do list. I started slowing down a bit, and my wife began to pester me about the few remaining things.
I told her, "I've hit my limit, I'll help get the kids to bed but I'm done." This is the first time she started to cry since I was diagnosed.
Crying, she dropped these on me:
1. "I do so much around here, I don't get any help." (neglecting the fact I do most of the childcare on the weekends and prepare every single meal that is eaten in the house, including the breakfast and lunch she takes to work)
2. "I'm tired too, you know!?"
3. "I wish I could just stop and go to bed sometimes" (something I've NEVER done no matter how I feel)
4. "I only ask you to do a few things and you can't even do them."
I called a therapist I had seen in the past (obviously, it's always been a rough marriage) the next morning. I've been married to someone who has never supported me, doesn't see marriage as a team sport, and likely won't come around on either of those. Not the first time we've had these issues, but I was never honest with myself about it. I thought my hard work made up for it all.
Now I realize I deserve better. Not being close to my family, I don't have much of a support network, My wife alienated all of my friends (HUGE red flag I didn't see) but I've reached out to a few close ones who are coming back into the picture, but those relationships need some TLC before I can ask them to be my "rock" during this.
I deserve to have someone by my side while I go through treatment. I deserve someone who can cut me some slack so I can recover from chemo and not expect me to be super dad even when all I want to do is puke my brains out and lay on the floor for 5 minutes.
I've started to contemplate divorce and have spoken with a few attorneys. I've decided to work with my therapist to get through the cancer and chemo and, once I finish the first line, ask for a separation.
At worst I'll get 50/50 with my kids. Given my wife's lack of support during my cancer treatment I will be pushing for primary custody, not out of spite, just because I believe I'm able to put their interests above my own better than my wife. I don't expect sympathy or upvotes or anything. Just getting that off my chest helps. Thank you.
Here’s what people had to say to OP:
What a horrible person you are married to. I'm so sorry you're going through this. At first I thought she was in shock but all the examples you've given are proof that she is not nice. You do deserve someone to be there for you during your treatment. Maybe this will help you get closer to your parents. Keep reaching out to them and explain the situation with your wife.
Take your wife to a couple of counseling sessions with you and explain to her how you are feeling with the help of the therapist. Maybe then she'll open her eyes. Best of luck on your treatment. hugs
growa2 (OP)
She didn't start out a horrible person. The complete lack of compassion the last 2+ months has been completely crazy. But not entirely new. Thank you for the support. I'm kicking cancers ass support or not.
So some of the signs of her selfishness/unhappiness were there earlier? Did this start after the first child was born?
growa2 (OP)
After we got married she was no longer the woman I dated. That is another post in itself. Honestly, I should've seen all of this and avoided having kids with her. I wouldn't give my kids back for the world. But it had made the decision to end it much more difficult.
I'm so sorry OP. Your wife sounds incredibly selfish. When I first started reading this I thought "ok, maybe this is just how she is dealing with things..." but as I read on I realized just how much she is trying to make this all about herself which is ridiculous to me.
Keep in touch with your parents, reach out to your friends. You should not have to go through this alone and deserve someone who cares about you enough to be right there by your side. Seek out couples counseling but also your attorney at the same time. Please also focus on your treatment and taking care of yourself. Good luck OP - I wish you all the best.
A week later, the OP returned with an update.
First, I don't paint a very pretty picture of my wife in this post. She is not a horrible monster as she may seem below. She is a good mother and I trust her to take care of my kids. I married her because I knew she would be dedicated to our kids. Things just haven't worked outside that focus.
Thank you all so much for all of the support and suggestions. I took a lot of your comments to heart and a few days after my original post I surprised my wife with my mom coming over to watch the kids so we could go out to dinner to talk.
There were a few insights I received from you all that I wanted to make sure to hit on during our talk:
1. How is she coping with everything - having a new baby in May and finding out her husband has cancer is a lot for anyone
How does she think I'm handling with treatment
This is an opportunity to get closer as a couple and address issues we've had for years, and that the future of our marriage depends on us addressing them
I really need her to step up and give me time to recover from chemo - the most immediate importance
There is a very real possibility that things could get even worse, or that I might even die
I am going actually skip the results of the conversation and move to the weekend, the short version is- she didn't perceive there to be a problem, she disappointed me with her answers, and she cannot have a frank talk about these serious issues. But I could tell she felt better, she was all smiles while we went for a short walk. So our week goes on, nothing is much different.
Friday I have chemo, so Saturday is not a great day, chemo is starting to hit me harder sooner. Things continue as normal (I watch the kids until 1pm, I'm not 100% sure what she accomplished).
I get my 3 year old down for a nap, and I go into our room to take a nap. My wife somehow manages to find something she needs in our bathroom 3 different times in 30 minutes as I try to lay quietly and sleep.
I put in my ear buds and tune Spotify to the White Noise station (seriously, try it it works). After a 60 minute nap, she comes flying in, literally whips the door open with both kids in tow.
I'm trying to get along with everything at this point. Maybe she needs time to adjust. Sunday is bad. She again is away from us somewhere in the house for a large chunk of the day. I'm really suffering from chemo and just don't have it in me.
I call my mom to come over and help in the late morning, and my wife loses it. She tells me she can handle everything and we don't need help, and tells me she will be down to help in a few minutes.
She never does come to help until a few hours later, where she holds our infant for about 10 minutes, hands her to me so she can eat lunch, and then she takes our 3 year old up for a nap. She then proceeds to take a 2.5 hour nap herself.
I'm beyond pissed. When she wakes up, she looks happy and refreshed, so I hand her our baby and I take off to my favorite nature trail 10 minutes from my house without saying a word. It is fall here and the trees are really cool, so walking to the top of small hill to sit on a bench is worth how tired I was when I got there.
When I get back to my car I have several texts from her, including a request to stop at the store for her. I simply reply, "No." I went to my parents house to rest some more and eat dinner and then I came home to help get the kids ready for bed.
The house is a disaster, nothing has been done in the 3 hours I was gone. She tells me she doesn't need any help, but manages to get nothing done without me. Now the doody really hits the fan. My 3 year old is on the 2nd level putting her pajamas on, so I figure, why not address the gorilla in the room. Bad idea.
I essentially call her out for putting too much of a burden on me and trying to stop me from getting the help I need (i.e. my mom helping with the kids). I'm upset but not angry at this point, and she responds with pure anger.
She points out that she unloaded and reloaded the dishwasher for me and she "made dinner" (which involved reheating the meal I had made the night before) while I was gone, which is normally my job.
Now I get angry and tell her that is not enough, and that I cannot be the full time babysitter on the weekends. We have a solid 5 minute argument about having my family over to help with the kids. She replies to everything I say with, "f you," "I hate you," and "you're the worst."
I like to think I kept my cool, but I know I took some shots at her for thinking too highly of herself, which is her biggest flaw. I was a jerk, but I don't feel bad because I meant what I said: she is expecting me to do too much, if she cares she needs to SHOW it (saying it would help, too) by giving me time to rest for a few days after chemo, and she does not do nearly what she thinks she does.
I am tired of fighting and end with (paraphrasing, seeing red at this point), "You need to step it up, I can't do keep up with this anymore," and, "I could die and you are treating me like I have a cold." A little dramatic, I know, but I there is a very real chance I could die in the next 5 years, about 10-15%.
Now the box is open, and she knows that I don't think she does very much. She DOESN'T do very much. She has a high opinion of how much she does around the house and with the kids, so I've openly questioned her sense of sense worth. I very literally think I can do what we do as a couple just fine or better by myself, even with cancer.
I feel bad for my wife more than I am mad at her. She grew up with a very narcissistic mother and is stunted emotionally (again, another post in itself). She is not equipped to handle what she is currently going through.
But she is 36 and has had the time to be around other people and grow up, so I'm expecting her to act like an adult. I do NOT want to get divorced, but with 6 years of marriage under our belt and no growth at all to show for it, things are very likely over for me.
I've told her in very blunt terms where I see us as a couple, and she is not willing to change. I have minimum of 3 months of treatment left and want to be around my kids as much as possible on the slim chance this is it for me.
EDIT 1: I'll go ahead and point out a few things, hope this helps with any questions:
Yes, I saw flashes of this person before we were married (while we were engaged) but didn't give it enough credence. I'm an idiot who should have addressed this earlier in our relationship. Seriously, who let's it get this far.
The worst part is I thought of myself as a very hardcore, determined person before I sat down and starting pondering my marriage. Now I feel like a spineless idiot, because I am. My first post was to see if I was crazy or expecting too much. This post was more an outlet because I am so frustrated.
EDIT 2: thank you all so far. I have hit my limit for the day and am logging off, going to watch some Netflix in bed and sleep. Wish me luck when the wife gets home tonight and loses her mind when I can't watch the kids or make dinner.
EDIT 3: I have contacted an attorney I know and will be scheduling a consultation soon. Not sure where to go from here if I have to move out but it's a start.
Here’s what people had to say to OP:
Oh man. All of this is not helping you fight cancer and recover. I have to reiterate my comments from your previous post, your wife is just a fundamentally selfish person to her core.
She is not only neglecting you during a difficult time, but she is neglecting her kids in more ways than one. Just don't engage her anymore. Focus on getting yourself better, getting that extra help you need with the kids, and then get yourself out of this marriage.
growa2 (OP)
Thanks. I agree with you. I don't see any future, at least not a positive one, here.
Dude, just to reiterate, you need out. I found out I had cancer last year and the wife and I were in a bit of a tiff over something stupid. No anger or anything, just hurt feelings on both sides that we were working out, usual relationship stuff.
The second she found out...the freaking millisecond it registered, the disagreement was over and she was my rock. She made sure I had the rest I needed when I went through chemo, which luckily worked and the surgery was awesome and I'm all good now thanks to modern medicine.
You are sick. You NEED to rest and let your body heal. You NEED to do that. If you don't, the percentage chance goes up that you will die and leave your kids alone with your wife. I'm sorry, but you need out. Go back through my comment history. I usually advocate trying to work things out. You did that...when you have cancer.
Get out and get better for you and FOR YOUR KIDS!!! They need a good role model, and your wife doesn't seem to be it based on what you have written. For you and your kids, please get out and rest and heal.
Nearly 5 months later, the OP returned with another update.
Since my last post, I've finished treatment and life is getting back to normal. I've been able to start running and cycling again, which has been great. Physically, I feel pretty good with just a few nagging issues that I'll likely deal with indefinitely, long term side effects of the chemo.
But it beats the alternative! Things are going pretty well (relatively) from a health standpoint. I have a little ways until my oncologist will call me cancer free, but things look good.
My last post was in October last year. Things were pretty rough. Chemo got really hard and continued to do so until I finished in early January. My wife continued being hard to deal with for a while after that last post.
It became physically impossible for me to contribute around the house like I usually do (do all of the cooking, dishes, picking up, get kids ready for daycare in the morning and bedtime at night), and that created a lot of tension at the time.
Day to day things are not my wife's strength and it really stressed her out doing even basic things, like getting the kids ready or cleaning up after a meal. Sounds menial, but I do a lot around the house because I want to, clutter drives me insane and eating healthy is very important to me. So to heap all of that onto her was a lot for one person recovering from childbirth.
It was also hard because I wasn't emotionally ready to tackle my relationship issues, coping with cancer treatment, and dealing with my "new" body (from the long term effects of chemo) at the same time.
Seeing a therapist helped immensely. My wife isn't the only one to blame, I have my own issues. I'm terrible at asking for help. And I don't mean that in a, "I'm superman," kind of way. I mean that it is a serious limiting factor in many areas of my life, home, work, friends, you name it.
I like to keep things running smoothly and not make waves, and sometimes (OK, all of the time) I'll move heaven and earth to remove something that could create tension, even if it is something that needs to be addressed.
I had always seen this as a strength and was in denial about the negative effects, but going through chemo and working with my therapist I now see how much I'm not only hurting myself, but those around me.
I don't want my kids to suffer through what I've put myself through, so I need to stop setting the example. So being more open when things aren't good or I disagree with how something is being done, no matter if it makes my wife or boss or whoever upset, is something I'm trying to be better about. I'm not as mature of an adult as I thought.
I gave talking to my wife one last shot after my last post, stating pretty simply what I can and can't do and that the future of our marriage is at stake, and focused on taking care of myself and my kids no matter what demands my wife was placing on me. Initially, it was pretty tense but she did eventually deal with the fact that if I said I needed to rest I was going to, whether or not it was a good time for her.
We did have some positive discussions, too. I laid out how it made something pretty horrible even worse dealing with her attitude towards me. I explained how it wasn't just a matter of needing rest but actually being physically unable to do certain things.
She started to leave me alone when I left the room instead of following and nagging me. She started to lighten up and even had a pretty great attitude the last month of treatment. I was even able to stay in bed all day if that is what I needed without her constantly checking to see if I was good enough to help with the kids yet.
And something else, that is HUGE in terms of how she was acting, was that she admitted that having our baby two months before I was diagnosed was hard enough, but we had also learned at that time that she should not have any more children as it could endanger her life.
Even if we decided to not have any more kids, having the decision all but made for us really hit her hard and put her in a funk. I never knew she even wanted more kids or that it impacted her that much, she never showed it or brought it up. But it makes complete sense.
We are both very emotionally immature, you pick who is worse. But we are at a better place now. Things are still pretty rocky despite the progress and the core issues are still there, but at least they are "out there."
So I'm sticking it out for now. I've seen how hard divorce is on kids with a few of my cousins and close friends, and if I'm going to do that to my kids, I need to make damn sure I make every effort to make my marriage work before that becomes an option.
Divorce is still a likely outcome, but the little bit of progress we've made gives me a least some hope. Thank you all for the helpful comments and criticisms. It has been really helpful and posting my story here has helped me cope with a rough situation.
Here’s what people had to say to OP:
Ooof, stick it out for what‽!!!!!????
So the kids can grow up seeing mom and dad constantly at odds with one another - bickering, fighting, insulting each other - so they can get a good and warped idea of what a loving household looks like, which they'll inevitably carry into their own relationships later where it'll harm their own self-worth or that of their partner.
Y'know, to prevent them from facing the horrors of a divorce that would probably help BOTH parents actually be happier and more attentive. We couldn't have that, no.
I'd have considered divorce as soon as she mocked him on the first phone call. Thats just simply a terrible thing to do, no excuses.
OOF, i get that its tough, but if you cant step up when someone dealing with a life threatening illness, you probably shouldn't be together.