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<p>They say you should never meet your heroes, because all too often the people we put on pedestals fall off of them. And while it&#39;s true that no person fulfills a shiny perfect projection, there are some who disappoint harder than others.</p><p>While the rise of social media has dismantled some aspects of the cult of celebrity, as people are able to see more into the daily lives of the rich and famous, there is still a sheen of delusion. When you see someone act in your favorite movie, play in your favorite band, or write your favorite book, it&#39;s hard to separate their full personhood from the effect of that singular piece of art.</p><p>Unfortunately, lots of talented and highly lauded people are awful people in real life, and in the years before social media it was even easier for celebrities to hide their full nature. So in many cases, the celebrities that have passed away are remembered through the rose-colored lens of PR, a lens that often erases the full story.</p><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>In <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/nj64sd/which_dead_celebrities_are_treated_like_saints/" target="_blank">a popular Reddit thread</a>, people shared which dead celebrities are treated like saints, but were truly awful people when they were alive.</h2><h2>1. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/JuanPancake/">JuanPancake</a>:</h2><p> </p><blockquote> <p>Ray Charles. Made children all over the place and refused to acknowledge them.</p> </blockquote><h2>2. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Acquilas/">Acquilas</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Jerry Lewis. He treated his family like sh*t, cut his kids out of his will and was a real POS on set. Watch some clips on youtube of him and his behavior. Terrible. Most likely stemming from when he and Dean Martin split from being Martin &amp; Lewis, everyone thought Dean would disappear and Jerry would go on to be a massive star. As it turned out, it was the complete reverse. He was a bitter, bitter person.</p> </blockquote><h2>3. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/bengibbardstoothpain/">bengibbardstoothpain</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Frank Lloyd Wright. He is seen as a visionary in architecture but he was a horrible person IRL. Raging narcissist, abandoned his wife and kids to run off with the wife of one of his clients, nailed down his selected furniture in a client&#39;s home because he didn&#39;t like what the client wanted, etc.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>4. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/The_Devils_Cooch/">The_Devils_Cooch</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Jimmy Saville. The weird thing is, the accusations were coming since 63. The BBC worked f*cking tirelessly to protect that man, and others, from what they were doing being made public. Even in 09 Saville was talking to his biographer and the subject of Gary Glitter came up. Saville defending him. Saying that it was just videos and pictures. Gary wasnt actually hurting anyone. The recordings of the sessions never saw the light of day.</p> </blockquote><blockquote> <p>Saville was the worst kept secret, yet everyone was still shocked when all it came out after his death in 2011. But the biggest issue I have is that the BBC is still a thing. How can a government organisation actively protect people who rape kids and still be allowed to exist? Or worse still continue to force the public to pay for it!?</p> </blockquote><h2>5. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/deezelweasel/">deezelweasel</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>It&#39;s probably come up time and again, but John Lennon was not a nice man. His son grew to despise him enough to tell Paul McCartney that he wished Paul was his father.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>6. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Harleye/">Harleye</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Michael Landon played wise, kindly characters on TV, like Charles Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie and Jonathan, a literal angel in &quot;Highway to Heaven&quot;, and a lot of people seemed to think he really was actually that saintly in real life. And he could be quite kind sometimes -he adopted his first wife&#39;s children and initially treated them like his own kids, even though he was barely 12 years older than the oldest boy- but he had a cruel, almost sociopathic side too.</p> </blockquote><blockquote> <p>He eventually left his first wife and married someone else, which isn&#39;t that unusual in Hollywood. He adopted his second wife&#39;s daughter, and initially treated her the same as his biological kids, which he had several of. However, he then left second wife and family for a much younger woman who worked on the Little House set and then he publicly stated that he never really loved his second wife, which absolutely broke his children&#39;s hearts. He then told his kids that if they didn&#39;t accept his new wife with open arms, he&#39;d have nothing to do with them.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><blockquote> <p>He had two kids with his third wife and left the bulk of his estate to them and very little to any of the kids from his previous relationships.</p> <p>It&#39;s like Michael Landon could only love certain people at certain times. Once he moved on he gave all his love to the new people in his life, and treated the people he supposedly once loved as if they never really mattered to him at all.</p> </blockquote><h2>7. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Low-Stick6746/">Low-Stick6746</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Coco Chanel was an actual agent for the Nazis. She tried using anti-Jewish Nazi laws to get her two Jewish business partners removed to leave her the sole owner of her brand. But they had outsmarted her before fleeing to the United States, they gave their majority share of the company to someone else who was not Jewish that they trusted. Chanel would use her place in high society to spy on all the other high society people and report back to her lover who was a Nazi officer if anyone was a possible threat to the Nazi party to be dealt with. So she was more than sympathetic. She was literally in bed with them.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>8. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/HeatherDoesVoices/">HeatherDoesVoices</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Bing Crosby. Years ago, while watching Blue Skies with him &amp; Fred Astaire my dad gushed over Astaire&#39;s legacy. I asked what Bing was like and he said, &quot;Besides beating his wife and kids...what a voice!&quot;</p> <p>Can&#39;t watch anything with him in it now. He was a monster to anyone close to him.</p> </blockquote><h2>9. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/wheres_jaykwellin_at/">wheres_jaykwellin_at</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Alfred Hitchock tortured his leading ladies, for one.</p> <p>His abuse of Tippi Hedren, the star of The Birds and Marnie, is probably the most well-known. She talked about it with <a href="https://variety.com/2017/film/news/tippi-hedren-alfred-hitchcock-the-birds-sexual-harassment-1202637959/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc" target="_blank">Variety a few years ago</a> at the height of the #metoo movement.</p> <p>Edit: removed &quot;on set&quot; because he didn&#39;t just harass them on set.</p> </blockquote><h2>10. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/DeathSpiral321/">DeathSpiral321</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Johnny Carson. He cheated on his wives and was an all around prick when he wasn&#39;t on camera. The most widely know example was him telling Joan Rivers that she&#39;d never become the star of The Tonight Show (she was the permanent guest host at the time), then refusing to ever speak to her again after she got a job elsewhere.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>11. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Careful-Bread-3820/">Careful-Bread-3820</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Big Punisher.</p> <p>His kids and widow f**king hated him, he pistol-whipped his wife in front of his children and broke her face.</p> </blockquote><h2>12. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Admirable-Suit5387/">Admirable-Suit5387</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>From Wikipedia:</p> <p>&quot;Picasso has been commonly characterised as a womaniser and a misogynist, being quoted as having said to one of his mistresses, Fran&ccedil;oise Gilot, &quot;Women are machines for suffering.&quot; He later told her, &quot;For me there are only two kinds of women: goddesses and doormats.&quot; In her memoir, Picasso, My Grandfather, Marina Picasso writes of his treatment of women, &quot;He submitted them to his animal sexuality, tamed them, bewitched them, ingested them, and crushed them onto his canvas. After he had spent many nights extracting their essence, once they were bled dry, he would dispose of them.&quot;</p> </blockquote><blockquote> <p>Of the several important women in his life, two, Marie-Th&egrave;r&eacute;se Walter, a mistress, and Jacqueline Roque, his second wife, committed suicide. Others, notably his first wife Olga Khokhlova, and his mistress Dora Maar, succumbed to nervous breakdowns. His son, Paulo, developed a fatal alcoholism due to depression. His grandson, Pablito, also committed suicide when he was barred by Jacqueline Roque from attending the artist&#39;s funeral.&quot;</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>13. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/originalsanitizer/">originalsanitizer</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Frank Sinatra. My grandpa&#39;s girlfriend and her husband used to work for him, and he was a right bastard. Didn&#39;t think that he had to pay people that worked for him, treated employees bad, all the usual human stuff.</p> <p>EDIT: my grandpa was a widower and his girlfriend was a widow.</p> </blockquote><h2>14. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Rusty51/">Rusty51</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>Since no one mentioned them yet. Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre. In her letters De Beauvoir mentions several romantic and sexual relationship with female students of hers, in one case she met a 17-year-old student who she had a relationship, and later introduced her to Sartre who also began to have sex with her. There were a few others who basically made up Sartre&rsquo;s personal harem, while de Beauvoir acted as the pimp; seducing teenage girls into threesomes with Sartre.</p> </blockquote><blockquote> <p>Additionally, both were signatories of a petition to remove the age of consent laws in France; the petition was written by a known pedo, Gabriel Matzneff, and signed by other French intellectuals including Foucault; who himself has been accused of sodomizing boys.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>15. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Plug_5/">Plug_5</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>How soon until Woody Allen dies? Can we just include people who are really old and long past their sell-by date?</p> </blockquote><h2>16. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/BottomShelfWhiskey/">BottomShelfWhiskey</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>I&rsquo;ve worked for Prince and it&rsquo;s a not-so-hidden secret he was absolutely awful to work with. There used to be a saying &ldquo;you&rsquo;re nobody in this industry until you&rsquo;ve been fired by Prince&rdquo; He&rsquo;s a legend for sure but was awful to those who put the show on, and his ego was out of control. And when it came down to it, he died from an OD, so for someone who was so quick to fire anyone over a simple mistake and he so critical of weakness, it turns out he had some hidden weaknesses of his own.</p> <p>Also, from all accounts Jim Morrison was an awful awful person.</p> </blockquote><h2>17. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/TheBoomExpress/">TheBoomExpress</a>:</h2><blockquote> <p>I remember reading somewhere that after he died, a biographer interviewed dozens of people who were closely associated with Lou Reed. No one person had anything good to say about him, and some even stated that they were glad he was dead. He apparently was an abusive person who smacked women around constantly.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div><h2>18. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Emojiobsessor/">Emojiobsessor</a>:</h2><p> </p><blockquote> <p>I absolutely loved the musical but PT Barnum was undoubtedly a pretty s**t person. Even in the musical there&rsquo;s several pointers as to how he&rsquo;s dishonest and doesn&rsquo;t really care about his circus troupe.</p> </blockquote><h2>19. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/grayhairedqueenbitch/">grayhairedqueenb*tch</a>:</h2><p> </p><blockquote> <p>By some Stones fans, Brian Jones. He deserves to be honored for his role in the band, and for his musical contributions, and it&#39;s a shame how his life ended, but he also had a history of domestic violence.</p> </blockquote><h2>20. From <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Weekendgunnitbant/">Weekendgunnitbant</a>:</h2><p> </p><p> </p><blockquote> <p>I lived in Augusta Ga during James Brown&#39;s later years. On one hand, you&#39;d hear waitresses and gas station attendants (the only full-service station left in Augusta was the only place he&#39;d go) speaking about how he tipped with 100s like they were singles. But on the other hand, he&#39;d often make the local news for pulling a gun on somebody new, seemed like twice a year. Folks like power company employees, meter readers, etc.</p> </blockquote><div className="ad-splitter"></div>

20 people share which well-loved dead celebrities were awful when they were alive.

They say you should never meet your heroes, because all too often the people we put on pedestals fall off of them. And while it&#39;s true that no person fulfills a shiny perfect projection, there are some who disappoint harder than others.While the rise of social media has dismantled some aspects of the cult of celebrity, as people are able to see more into the daily lives of the rich and famous, there is still a sheen of delusion. When you see someone act in your favorite movie, play in your favorite band, or write your favorite book, it&#39;s hard to separate their full personhood from the effect of that singular piece of art.Unfortunately, lots of talented and highly lauded people are awful people in real life, and in the years before social media it was even easier for celebrities to hide their full nature. So in many cases, the celebrities that have passed away are remembered through the rose-colored lens of PR, a lens that often erases the full story.In a popular Reddit thread, people shared which dead celebrities are treated like saints, but were truly awful people when they were alive.1. From JuanPancake:  Ray Charles. Made children all over the place and refused to acknowledge them. 2. From Acquilas: Jerry Lewis. He treated his family like sh*t, cut his kids out of his will and was a real POS on set. Watch some clips on youtube of him and his behavior. Terrible. Most likely stemming from when he and Dean Martin split from being Martin &amp; Lewis, everyone thought Dean would disappear and Jerry would go on to be a massive star. As it turned out, it was the complete reverse. He was a bitter, bitter person. 3. From bengibbardstoothpain: Frank Lloyd Wright. He is seen as a visionary in architecture but he was a horrible person IRL. Raging narcissist, abandoned his wife and kids to run off with the wife of one of his clients, nailed down his selected furniture in a client&#39;s home because he didn&#39;t like what the client wanted, etc. 4. From The_Devils_Cooch: Jimmy Saville. The weird thing is, the accusations were coming since 63. The BBC worked f*cking tirelessly to protect that man, and others, from what they were doing being made public. Even in 09 Saville was talking to his biographer and the subject of Gary Glitter came up. Saville defending him. Saying that it was just videos and pictures. Gary wasnt actually hurting anyone. The recordings of the sessions never saw the light of day.  Saville was the worst kept secret, yet everyone was still shocked when all it came out after his death in 2011. But the biggest issue I have is that the BBC is still a thing. How can a government organisation actively protect people who rape kids and still be allowed to exist? Or worse still continue to force the public to pay for it!? 5. From deezelweasel: It&#39;s probably come up time and again, but John Lennon was not a nice man. His son grew to despise him enough to tell Paul McCartney that he wished Paul was his father. 6. From Harleye: Michael Landon played wise, kindly characters on TV, like Charles Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie and Jonathan, a literal angel in &quot;Highway to Heaven&quot;, and a lot of people seemed to think he really was actually that saintly in real life. And he could be quite kind sometimes -he adopted his first wife&#39;s children and initially treated them like his own kids, even though he was barely 12 years older than the oldest boy- but he had a cruel, almost sociopathic side too.  He eventually left his first wife and married someone else, which isn&#39;t that unusual in Hollywood. He adopted his second wife&#39;s daughter, and initially treated her the same as his biological kids, which he had several of. However, he then left second wife and family for a much younger woman who worked on the Little House set and then he publicly stated that he never really loved his second wife, which absolutely broke his children&#39;s hearts. He then told his kids that if they didn&#39;t accept his new wife with open arms, he&#39;d have nothing to do with them.  He had two kids with his third wife and left the bulk of his estate to them and very little to any of the kids from his previous relationships. It&#39;s like Michael Landon could only love certain people at certain times. Once he moved on he gave all his love to the new people in his life, and treated the people he supposedly once loved as if they never really mattered to him at all. 7. From Low-Stick6746: Coco Chanel was an actual agent for the Nazis. She tried using anti-Jewish Nazi laws to get her two Jewish business partners removed to leave her the sole owner of her brand. But they had outsmarted her before fleeing to the United States, they gave their majority share of the company to someone else who was not Jewish that they trusted. Chanel would use her place in high society to spy on all the other high society people and report back to her lover who was a Nazi officer if anyone was a possible threat to the Nazi party to be dealt with. So she was more than sympathetic. She was literally in bed with them. 8. From HeatherDoesVoices: Bing Crosby. Years ago, while watching Blue Skies with him &amp; Fred Astaire my dad gushed over Astaire&#39;s legacy. I asked what Bing was like and he said, &quot;Besides beating his wife and kids...what a voice!&quot; Can&#39;t watch anything with him in it now. He was a monster to anyone close to him. 9. From wheres_jaykwellin_at: Alfred Hitchock tortured his leading ladies, for one. His abuse of Tippi Hedren, the star of The Birds and Marnie, is probably the most well-known. She talked about it with Variety a few years ago at the height of the #metoo movement. Edit: removed &quot;on set&quot; because he didn&#39;t just harass them on set. 10. From DeathSpiral321: Johnny Carson. He cheated on his wives and was an all around prick when he wasn&#39;t on camera. The most widely know example was him telling Joan Rivers that she&#39;d never become the star of The Tonight Show (she was the permanent guest host at the time), then refusing to ever speak to her again after she got a job elsewhere. 11. From Careful-Bread-3820: Big Punisher. His kids and widow f**king hated him, he pistol-whipped his wife in front of his children and broke her face. 12. From Admirable-Suit5387: From Wikipedia: &quot;Picasso has been commonly characterised as a womaniser and a misogynist, being quoted as having said to one of his mistresses, Fran&ccedil;oise Gilot, &quot;Women are machines for suffering.&quot; He later told her, &quot;For me there are only two kinds of women: goddesses and doormats.&quot; In her memoir, Picasso, My Grandfather, Marina Picasso writes of his treatment of women, &quot;He submitted them to his animal sexuality, tamed them, bewitched them, ingested them, and crushed them onto his canvas. After he had spent many nights extracting their essence, once they were bled dry, he would dispose of them.&quot;  Of the several important women in his life, two, Marie-Th&egrave;r&eacute;se Walter, a mistress, and Jacqueline Roque, his second wife, committed suicide. Others, notably his first wife Olga Khokhlova, and his mistress Dora Maar, succumbed to nervous breakdowns. His son, Paulo, developed a fatal alcoholism due to depression. His grandson, Pablito, also committed suicide when he was barred by Jacqueline Roque from attending the artist&#39;s funeral.&quot; 13. From originalsanitizer: Frank Sinatra. My grandpa&#39;s girlfriend and her husband used to work for him, and he was a right bastard. Didn&#39;t think that he had to pay people that worked for him, treated employees bad, all the usual human stuff. EDIT: my grandpa was a widower and his girlfriend was a widow. 14. From Rusty51: Since no one mentioned them yet. Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre. In her letters De Beauvoir mentions several romantic and sexual relationship with female students of hers, in one case she met a 17-year-old student who she had a relationship, and later introduced her to Sartre who also began to have sex with her. There were a few others who basically made up Sartre&rsquo;s personal harem, while de Beauvoir acted as the pimp; seducing teenage girls into threesomes with Sartre.  Additionally, both were signatories of a petition to remove the age of consent laws in France; the petition was written by a known pedo, Gabriel Matzneff, and signed by other French intellectuals including Foucault; who himself has been accused of sodomizing boys. 15. From Plug_5: How soon until Woody Allen dies? Can we just include people who are really old and long past their sell-by date? 16. From BottomShelfWhiskey: I&rsquo;ve worked for Prince and it&rsquo;s a not-so-hidden secret he was absolutely awful to work with. There used to be a saying &ldquo;you&rsquo;re nobody in this industry until you&rsquo;ve been fired by Prince&rdquo; He&rsquo;s a legend for sure but was awful to those who put the show on, and his ego was out of control. And when it came down to it, he died from an OD, so for someone who was so quick to fire anyone over a simple mistake and he so critical of weakness, it turns out he had some hidden weaknesses of his own. Also, from all accounts Jim Morrison was an awful awful person. 17. From TheBoomExpress: I remember reading somewhere that after he died, a biographer interviewed dozens of people who were closely associated with Lou Reed. No one person had anything good to say about him, and some even stated that they were glad he was dead. He apparently was an abusive person who smacked women around constantly. 18. From Emojiobsessor:  I absolutely loved the musical but PT Barnum was undoubtedly a pretty s**t person. Even in the musical there&rsquo;s several pointers as to how he&rsquo;s dishonest and doesn&rsquo;t really care about his circus troupe. 19. From grayhairedqueenb*tch:  By some Stones fans, Brian Jones. He deserves to be honored for his role in the band, and for his musical contributions, and it&#39;s a shame how his life ended, but he also had a history of domestic violence. 20. From Weekendgunnitbant:   I lived in Augusta Ga during James Brown&#39;s later years. On one hand, you&#39;d hear waitresses and gas station attendants (the only full-service station left in Augusta was the only place he&#39;d go) speaking about how he tipped with 100s like they were singles. But on the other hand, he&#39;d often make the local news for pulling a gun on somebody new, seemed like twice a year. Folks like power company employees, meter readers, etc. 